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« skrivet: oktober 20, 2012, 23:41:21 »
What follows is a the short version of the long story ;D.It will be mainly pictures whith a bit of explanation...enjoy the ride!

This is what I started with.Very basic 360 2.0i .





This is what its like now......



What happened in between?

For starters....better Brakes!
















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« Svar #1 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 08:46:08 »
The brakes came from this car ,a Nissan SunnyGTI-R..jep..the 4 wheeldrive version



I modified this car Brakes to Big Brakes.The owner of the car didnt need the original discs and calipers.......I also have the brakes for the rear.........Rear axle with discbrakes is onder construction  ;D

I modified the frontaxle.I now have a wider track and more negetive camber









The car has a 4cm lowering on the back and 4,5 on the front

The swaybar on the front is replaced by a 25mm one(was 19). I mounted  a antiswaybar on the rearaxle.The idea came from my search for data about the 363CS.Only difference..I used a 22mm frontaxle bar of a gls-version.Cheaper and easier to find!





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« Svar #2 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 10:30:25 »
 I did some minor changes in the interior.



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« Svar #3 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 11:00:56 »
Exterior changes......

I found this frontspoiler.Broken all arround but complete!It's a spoiler for a MKII but a like this one better than the MKIII version.






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« Svar #4 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 11:26:52 »
I found this on the internet......




To make it fit I had to adjust it a little and I also had to change the rear bumper to make place for my licenseplate.








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« Svar #5 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 11:46:42 »
Last year novemberI bought this....



because of this......




I used the wintertime to rebuild the engine and to collect the parts that i would need
-T5 injectors
-watercooled cosworth-type garret turbo
-intercooler
.........and many many other parts.The list kept growing as the picture in my head became clearer and clearer

In fact ,all I used from the original engine is the cilinderblock waterpump,sandwichplate and exhaustmanifold.The rest came from my original engine!








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« Svar #6 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 12:28:02 »


I wanted to use the original engine mounts.To make that possible I had to relocate the turbo.







At first I wanted to use this intercooler(volvo 9 series) but it was to big.....The hood wouldnt close.




soooooo........I got this one.



used to be in a Renault Master2.8DTI.......

To make this fit....I had to modify the headlights










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« Svar #7 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 12:55:14 »
The frontbumper is modified to get more air to the intercooler and radiator.





It runs on LE-jet with a slightly modified ecu, 850T5 injectors and a piggyback to adjust the ignition.






will be continued..............

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« Svar #8 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 14:48:42 »
wow, realy nice.
That reflex-plate is it rare? because i have never seen any styling parts more then the sideskirt/frontspoiler kit for the 340/360's

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« Svar #9 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 19:43:01 »
Oh how fun! Thank you Bart for letting us on 300 Power getting a mini-version of your original build-thread!  :)

The GTI-R brake conversion was a new one! Apart of the adapter for the calipers, was it much machining involved on the discs to get them on?

Very smart widening of the front axle! Just remember to look out for rust between the to joined pieces. I don´t want your front wheels to hop off when your driving!

Your rear sway-bar, does it make a big difference in car-handling? No problem with lifting the inner rear and spinning the wheel exiting corners?

Thank you once again for showing us this nice car of yours!
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« Svar #10 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 20:23:14 »
The discs  needed only a little bit of work.I took them to the shop where they also made the adapters for me.They made the center of the discs 2mm wider so it would fit on the hubs like the original 360discs.They also driiled in the holes for the boltsI made a proto and exact drawing for the adapters.They made them in 1 piece out of airplane aluminium.The antisway bar on the rear allows you to drive on a much softer shockabsorber without losing the advantage of a verry stiff shockabsorber.It gives the car much less bodyroll without losing comfort.I use the car as my daily ride so I have to compromise between race and street.My DAF55 racer for example,is not suitable for streetuse at all.Its stiff as hell,very loud and has a setup for trackuse.My tripp to the Nürburgring was to much for the antiswaybar construction.I have to make some parts to attach the swaybar ends to the body..........so I won't get bored.

The reflex plate is indeed a (very)rare part.They where only made for MKI and MKII versions(with the smaller taillights). I actually found a second,brand new,one a few months ago.Together with the Hellagrille with the 2 big lights in it........

There are still some things to .I found a Airflowmeter of a BMW 535i.This is modified so that it works with LE-jet.They normally go with Motronic systems.Like I said..a rearaxle with discbreaks,also from the Sunny will be made probably this winter..Keep you posted
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« Svar #11 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 20:36:46 »
Have you reinforced the boot-floor anything were the antiswaybar-struts(is this the name for them?) are mounted?

I would atleast weld in some steelplates were the antiswaybar-struts mounts in the boot-floor.
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« Svar #12 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 20:48:28 »
I didn't so far.I wanted to find out if it would be strong enough like this and for street use it was.The mounts are not under the trunk but under the backseats!The 3 rounds on the Nürburgring and especially "the carrousell" where to much.I am working on something new but there 's no hurry.As soon as they are finished I will show them here.Can't tell you what its gonna be.I've got severall solutions in mind and normally the best one comes out as I start making them.



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« Svar #13 skrivet: oktober 21, 2012, 21:40:55 »
Thank you for your answer!

Looking forward to your oncoming work and updates then.  :P
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« Svar #14 skrivet: november 24, 2012, 19:43:35 »
I've made some progress.....




The bracket for the airflowmeter...


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« Svar #15 skrivet: november 24, 2012, 21:10:53 »
I found a Airflowmeter of a BMW 535i.This is modified so that it works with LE-jet.They normally go with Motronic systems.

Nicely done with the bracket!

What have you modified in the Airflowmeter to make it go with the LE?

Keep it up  :)
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« Svar #16 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 10:22:19 »
This is the inside of the BMW part



This is the inside of the 360 part



BMW has motronic with a 4 pin connector



Volvo has LE-Jet with a 5 pin connector



BUT ........


If you look closely you will see the resemblance of the shape of the parts..!




So my idea was to take out all the electronic parts of the BMW meter and put in the elctronics of the Volvo meter including the airtemperature sensor.So the housing,the swingdoor and the spring are BMWal the other parts come from the Volvo meter.You could call it a Hybridversion if you like.

As I am very busy during the week I took the 2 meters to some friends of mine.They are very good in car electronics and I told them what I wanted to do.At first they where not to keen on this but as I showed them them the parts they saw the possibilities.So they took them apart and builde a new one for me. As I came back the next weekend it was ready to be installed and it worked perfectly from the first second I put it in.The bigger airflow made room for bigger injectors so that's why I have the white ones in.

Next step will be a better camshaft as I am still running the engine whith the original "T"camshaft.




I hope your question is answerred in the thisw way...if not ...you know where to find me ;D



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« Svar #17 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 11:31:46 »
Wow! thanks for realy great pictures än intresting reading!
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« Svar #18 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 12:42:31 »
Zonne grote vuurball jonguh, BAM!  ;D

It's great to see some dutch folks in here!
I love your culture, music and style, you do Volkswagens well too!
Not to mention some of the best Volvos come from the nederlands  ;)

Nice 360! Please keep us updated  :)

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« Svar #19 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 12:46:19 »
I will!

Next will be a rearaxle with discbrakes,also from the Nissan GTI-R.Jep ,the same one where the brakes on the front came from


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« Svar #20 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 12:50:50 »
No reaction to new kids lines?  ;D Have you not seen new kids?

Rear disc brakes is a great upgrade, i want that too, so i would love to see how you do it!

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« Svar #21 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 13:33:33 »
No I haven't..sorry.Still planning to do so but it's not a priority.I was wondering where you got the line from .In fact it fits well doesnit it!


The way I want to make it enables me to reproduce it for somebody else who might be interested.....................

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« Svar #22 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 13:56:06 »
Haha you live in the netherlands but have not seen new kids? You need to see it!
Me and my friend love them  ;D we found the movie through hardcore music.
This is where the line is from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmey23R-rZ8

Excuse me if i am cluttering your thread, do not be afraid to tell me if i do!

That sounds interesting, although i am planning on keeping the stock De dion rear bar,
and mounting a four-link to it. But if you make a kit some people will probably be interested in buying it!

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« Svar #23 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 14:22:17 »
I don't mind...no harm done!

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« Svar #24 skrivet: november 25, 2012, 19:43:17 »
I am also keeping the DeDion bar.I am planning a steel adapterplate.which will be placed on the end of the bar(yes .....on both ends !)It shouldn't be to difficult to make.The is a company here in town which specialised in lasercutting.They have already made some pieces for me and they will make  the adapterplates as well.They always stock every design they ever cut out so its very easy to make a new set afterwards.

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« Svar #25 skrivet: november 26, 2012, 05:29:20 »
You're going the 4-link route as well?

I was planning on buying a complete kit from a minitruck company in the US,
they're pretty cheap, but shipping from other countries in the EU is always cheaper when there is no toll fees.

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« Svar #26 skrivet: november 26, 2012, 23:41:50 »
I hope your question is answerred in the thisw way...if not ...you know where to find me ;D

Yes thank you!

So now you have earned a larger airflow throug the AFM and some extra horsepower!

I have replaced Jetronic and removed the AFM and even on my stock B200F I feel the difference!  :D

Keep up the good mods!
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« Svar #27 skrivet: december 02, 2012, 18:38:17 »
You're going the 4-link route as well?

I was planning on buying a complete kit from a minitruck company in the US,
they're pretty cheap, but shipping from other countries in the EU is always cheaper when there is no toll fees.

No I am not...for the moment.I don't see the advantage.And its to much work.


I've done some cosmetic changes this weekend........














Should be clear where the inspiration came from.................................................
 

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« Svar #28 skrivet: december 02, 2012, 22:38:40 »
Wow, impressive work with the grafics!  :o
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« Svar #29 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 03:54:26 »
Nice graphics! Really clean and stylish, not too much.

I prefer the BBS wheels though, i'm a sucker for cross-spoke style wheels  ;D

You gonna run the 5-spokes from now on?

By the way, you mention you have a T-cam, is it really?

An A-cam from any 3-series Volvo (B17, some B19's, B200E, B230A, B230ET, B23E) would be an upgrade,
if you're not planning on revving it alot, then you could get more duration and lift. But the A-cam is well suited for turbo applications,
takes care of some power loss in the lower range.

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« Svar #30 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 09:43:06 »
Jep I still run the T-cam.In fact now with the bigger injectors and afr I have some power  loss in the lower range.Before It was was running like a TDI engine.So power from the start.It came at about 1700 rpm and died at about 4700.

I've got an A-cam.......but I also have a K-cam(with the rest of the original R-sport kit).Some say it works on a turbo engine,some say it doesn't...........anyone here who has  build it in?

I took the 5 spokes of today.The tyres are almost like slicks and with the weatherconditions we have at the moment(15 cm of snow..I know ,you guys are used to a lot more) that's no good.I put on the snowtyres and they will be on the car for the next months.I am not sure what I will do.I still have those OZ rims that where on the car before the 5 spokes but I am kind of inlove with the 5 spoke rims.

About the grafics..Thanx for the compliments.It was a lot of work but I think it looks good.The part on the rear fenders will be made by a friend of mine.He has a plottermachine wich is great to cut out anything out of the foil.It will be in stile of the CS but will be something like "360 CS-T" or "364 CS-Turbo" .I'm still puzzeling on that................

I changed the oilpump yesterday which is a bitch under these weatherconditions,lying on the ground at minus 10 degrees!The engine lost oilpressure in low revs ,especially when it was on normal temperature.Coming home from from work last week it started to knock.......I knew that sound.Last time I heard that noise was in August...allpushrod bearings where gone then.So knowing what I learnt than,I orderred a set of new ones last friday and they where deliverred yesterday morning.Surprisingly this time it was only worn at the first cylinder,logically because that one is the furthest away from the oilpump.Ofcourse I changed the bearings on al 4 cylinders.As I took out the oilpump I found what probably caused the los of pressure.One of the seals on the small pipe between the pump and the engine was broken.As I had a practically new pump on stock I put that one in as well as a fresh set og seals on the pipe.As all the oil had to be drained, I also changed the oilfilter witch is a bit of work on my car.Because I have the original engine mounts There is no space for changing the oilfilter.The only way is to losen the alternator.....................I am still planning to change al that but it has no priority at this moment.But..........it was all very effective.Pressure isther as soon as the engine runs...before I had to wait a few seconds....which is killing as we all know!
 

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« Svar #31 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 14:48:20 »
Good to here that you have "engine-ears" and could prevent a mayor breakdown.
Good work!
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« Svar #32 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 15:17:26 »
Oh, i didn't know the 240 turbo engine came with a T-cam, that is quite the dissapointment,
it sounds like a miracle it worked for you, if you'd ask me the M and T cams are good for absolutely nothing  :P
Their main power range is something like 1000-3000 RPM. And as far as i know noone uses that part of the rev range for anything that resembles racing, neither dragracing nor circuit. But pretty good for towing i assume  ;D

Maybe this will help:

A-kam Lyft: 10.5, Duration: 260 (B17, B19A, B21A, B23A, B19E (84-), B23E (84-), B200E, B230E, B230A, B230ET)
B-kam Lyft: 10.6, Duration: n/a (B21F, B21E, B23ET)
D-kam Lyft: 11.2 Duration: n/a (B19E, B21E)
F-kam = M-kam (F-kam orginal till B21F)
GR-A kam Lyft: 10.24, Duration 252
GR-A T5 kam Lyft: 11.0, Duration 267
GT6 kam Lyft: 12.5, Duration 312 (nockvinkel 107) (racing, kräver minst 2x45 förgasare eller motsvarande)
H-kam Lyft 12.0 in/11.5 ut, Duration 272in / 268ut (B23E 1979-80)
K-kam Lyft: 11.95, Duration: 268 (B23E 1980-83, B19 Sport)
M-kam Lyft: 9.5 in/10.5 ur, Duration: n/a (B21F, B23F, B230F)
T-kam Lyft: 9.94, Duration: n/a (B19ET, B21ET, B23ET, B23FT, B21FT, B230K)
V-kam Lyft: 11.27, Duration: 245.4 (B200E, B230E)
VX-kam Lyft: 11.37 in /10.65 ut, Duration 245.4 in/236.2 ut
VX3-kam Lyft: 11.37 in /10.65 ut, Duration 245.4 in/236.2 ut (hela kammen backad 3 grader senare)
X-Kam Lyft: 10.65, Duration: n/a (B230K)
Y-Kam Lyft: 10.35, Duration: n/a (B200K)

Generally, the more you plan on revving, the more lift and duration you can have.
You probably know this but i might say something useful haha!

People say you need less duration and such when you have a turbo to take care of power loss in the lower range,
this is true for an everyday driver or perhaps a circuit racer, but when it comes to dragracing and you are going to let the clutch go at 8000RPM, you really have no need for lower end performance and you can go all out, both with turbo size and camshaft profile,
to get maximum performance. So you should weigh out the options and consider the type of racing you are going to do with the car.
I will look after a chart i have seen of where the most popular cams operate.

But yeah, generally an A-cam or maybe even more aggressive, H-cam perhaps will work well,
the best thing is to test a few to see which one is the best for your application!

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« Svar #33 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 20:46:56 »
The car is used in every day traffic so it doesn't have to be very extreme. No need for speedway aspirations.I would build a totally different car for that purpose if I had only the budget for it!

If got an "A "cam so i might try that one.Strange thouhg that the cam that was made for the redblock Turboversions doesn't do what it should do.But thanx for that list....always good to have!

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« Svar #34 skrivet: december 09, 2012, 23:09:47 »
Actually if you'd ask me, the cams for all Volvos seem to be doing what they are supposed to do pretty well,
taking the kids to, and from school and going to the shopping mall safely, in essence, having no power means you don't feel like trying to go fast enough for it to be dangerous  ;)

But yeah, the A-cam was in the B230ET, the strongest redblock turboengine made as far as i know of, with it's 182hp,
instead of 156hp like in the B230FT with a 530 head and that T-cam.

Maybe try the A-cam to see if it will work for you, i think any cam A-B-D-H-K-VX3 would be in the range of working on a turbo daily. With the H-cam being the most questionable option.

I found a better list of the camshaft profiles on the bottom of this page.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/B23

Too bad you don't know swedish, because we have a few forums with lots of info!
But try checking out Turbobricks in the US for info in english  :)

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« Svar #35 skrivet: december 27, 2012, 21:15:54 »
Hello Bart.

In another thread we discuss the possibility to mount 52mm dials like yours. Was it much modding required, or did it fit nice and easy?

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« Svar #36 skrivet: december 27, 2012, 21:40:46 »
For starters...it doesn't fit.But I am getting used to that problem hahahaha.

You have to take away the "glass" witch is easy to do with a small screwdriver.You have to take it away because there is not enough space to put in the gauge.Than you take away the backside of the clockwork.I grinded out the holes for the instruments with a Dremel precision tool.A bit of a problem is the placing of the left instrument ,in my case the turbopressuregauge.On the back of the clockwork is a metal plate.You cant take it out as the stabiliser ,which is mounted on it ,needs this plate for cooling!!!!!!But you can take away some of it so that the back of the gauge wil fit in.There is no space for the normal brackets to hold the gauge in place but if you work precisly you can make the hole just big enough to put in the gauge and it wil stick in its place.A bit of liquid siliconsealing around the housing will work perfectly.
When your finished put back the glass front in its place.I glued it with some liquid sealing as well.

Come to think of it.....maybe I have some pictures of it.................already searching........

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« Svar #37 skrivet: december 27, 2012, 22:10:43 »
Sorry Frej....no pictures.It seems that I've taken about a 1000 pictures of the project..strangly enough non of the dash modifications   :-\ . As from now on I will take more pictures.......promissed   ;D

I hope you'll find enough info in the post above.

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« Svar #38 skrivet: december 27, 2012, 22:13:48 »
Sorry Frej....no pictures.It seems that I've taken about a 1000 pictures of the project..strangly enough non of the dash modifications   :-\ . As from now on I will take more pictures.......promissed   ;D

I hope you'll find enough info in the post above.

I am very satisfied with that answer Bart!
Thank you very much!  :)
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« Svar #39 skrivet: januari 19, 2013, 19:34:28 »
As I said,I've been searching for another camshaft.So why don't look for something that's more or less custom fit to the problem I had.And....as It must be custom made for a Redblock wherelse to look.......................than in Sweden!
 






Metall lashcaps instead of van rubber....








I've also put in a new set of platinum sparkplugs.These are 3 steps colder than the ones I had before.Als this features an electrode that is deeper inside of the plug.This should be a better prevention against detonation.





the first testrun this morning showed great inprovement.Power starts coming at proximally 1900 rpm and the engine keeps pulling up to 5500rpm.I haven't run it at a higher rpm in 4th gear yet but it shows no powerdrop till now....Hoping for better weather conditions so we can go and test it propperly