Ämne: 340 GLT-project 25.7 This is the end..

[arnagath]

Ok,new and fresh winds are blowing to my project. I have bought back my former 340 GL B172K -87
Here`s the deal:
-Volvo 340 GL B172K -87
-Volvo 360 GLT B200E -87
=Volvo 340 GL(T) B200E -87

I´m doing engineswap between those and also all technic will change included rearaxle, transmission, kardanaxle, engine, exhaustpipe, electricity, fuelpiping.

This is my first engineswap so most of this is new to me. I`t`s all about learning  
Pics:
340 GL which is going engine transfer




360 GLT organdeliver





Here we go...

6.12.2005 Bought 360 GLT
17.12.2005 Bought back my old 340 GL
20.12.2005 Back to the basics
18.1.2006 Bought BMW steelwheels and one set of projectwheels
11.2.2006 Removed rearend/transmission,kardan and exhaustpiping (340)
25.2.2006 Removed engine from 340
11.3.2006 Removed all technic from 360 GLT
3.4.2006 B200E now putted in 340
17.4.2006 rearend/ transmission, propshaft and fueltank putted in 340
6.5.2006 Started engine
20.5.2006 Changed rearaxle
3.6.2006 Removed all parts from GLT

[Haak]

b230et is not a good choice. 250 horsepower is the most the stock bottomend can handle. b23et or b230ft is better
Looks like an intresting project

[arnagath]

Thank you ..Is it hard to take more power from b230ft? How much it can be taken? Must ask from sweden because you (swedish people) know more about volvo than finnish..i think so

I have also tought to bring somekind of Volvo engine from sweden, or Volvo 360 sparepartscar

[T08R]

From B230FT you can take 300hp, with another turbo and fuelinjectors. Im bad at english, so I hope you understand.

[arnagath]

300hp ...my GLT will move then like a rocket
Im satisfied if i get only 130hp from my b200e..and im also bad in english
Where in sweden I can find tuningparts and spareparts to my 360 GLT?? From finland I cant find anywhere, except spareparts like engine,body etc...But I think sweden must be much cheaper place to buy those things?!?

[Haak]

I'm from Norway hehe
I bought a b23et engine for 7000 sek without the Motronic box for the engine managment system.
130 hp from a b200e should'nt be hard. H/K kam, electric fan and shave off some mm of the head.

[FREJ]

b230et is not a good choice. 250 horsepower is the most the stock bottomend can handle. b23et or b230ft is better

The difference is described here:


The Early, K, and Late B230FT Motors and their Differences
Early B230FT: The early B230FT has garnered a somewhat undeserved reputation as being a fragile motor.  True, of the four engine designs available in the 700-series cars, it is the weakest -- but it is still a rugged and reliable motor.  There are a number of folks who have gotten 250+ reliable horsepower out of these power plants.
The important thing to know is where the weaknesses lie, and how to avoid having them come into play.  The primary weaknesses of the early B230 are connecting rod design and crankshaft design.

The early B230's connecting rods are the biggest concern of the two, and often fail catastrophically when the boost is cranked up where serious detonation begins to occur.  The crankshaft's design is a contributing factor to this problem -- the axial bearing is located in the center of the crankshaft, and the "undersized" main bearings contribute to some unwanted flexing.  It is pretty clear that crankshaft flex is a contributing factor to connecting rod failures on the early B230s because when a connecting rod goes, it is almost always # 1 that breaks.  If connecting rod weakness were the sole cause of the failures, then we would expect to see a random distribution of failures between rods 1 through 4.  But we don't, which points to contributing factors, which in this case is some degree of localized flexing of the crank in the vicinity of the number 1 connecting rod.  This problem can be ameliorated to a significant degree by replacing the connecting rods with those for a 1989 or later motor (see the comments on these rods below), and by balancing the rods with all other reciprocating components at the time of their replacement.
 

K Motor: The K motor is best thought of as an early B230 with a couple of improvements.  Additional internal webbing was added to boost overall block stiffness.  It got a redesigned axial bearing, but it is still located in the same position as that in the early B230. Unfortunately, it still has the same weak connecting rods as is found on the early B230. Thus, if one is contemplating substantial performance enhancements with their K motor, the same advise prescribed above follows here.
 
Late B230:  Volvo went back to much of the earlier tried-and-true design of the B21/B23 when this motor was developed. Not only does it have much stouter connecting rods (13mm at their thinnest cross-section, compared to the earlier motors' 9mm -- a 50% increase), but the crankshaft was also improved substantially. The axial bearing was (re)located to bearing No.5 position -- the same place as is found on the B23.  It also has the large, B23-style main bearing journals, which further reduce the possibility of flexing. It retains the narrower rod journals found in the early B230, however, but this has generally not been seen as a problem by the folks who have built up high-output B230FTs.

[Haak]

b230et is not a good choice. 250 horsepower is the most the stock bottomend can handle. b23et or b230ft is better

The difference is described here:


The Early, K, and Late B230FT Motors and their Differences
Early B230FT: The early B230FT has garnered a somewhat undeserved reputation as being a fragile motor.  True, of the four engine designs available in the 700-series cars, it is the weakest -- but it is still a rugged and reliable motor.  There are a number of folks who have gotten 250+ reliable horsepower out of these power plants.
The important thing to know is where the weaknesses lie, and how to avoid having them come into play.  The primary weaknesses of the early B230 are connecting rod design and crankshaft design.

The early B230's connecting rods are the biggest concern of the two, and often fail catastrophically when the boost is cranked up where serious detonation begins to occur.  The crankshaft's design is a contributing factor to this problem -- the axial bearing is located in the center of the crankshaft, and the "undersized" main bearings contribute to some unwanted flexing.  It is pretty clear that crankshaft flex is a contributing factor to connecting rod failures on the early B230s because when a connecting rod goes, it is almost always # 1 that breaks.  If connecting rod weakness were the sole cause of the failures, then we would expect to see a random distribution of failures between rods 1 through 4.  But we don't, which points to contributing factors, which in this case is some degree of localized flexing of the crank in the vicinity of the number 1 connecting rod.  This problem can be ameliorated to a significant degree by replacing the connecting rods with those for a 1989 or later motor (see the comments on these rods below), and by balancing the rods with all other reciprocating components at the time of their replacement.
 

K Motor: The K motor is best thought of as an early B230 with a couple of improvements.  Additional internal webbing was added to boost overall block stiffness.  It got a redesigned axial bearing, but it is still located in the same position as that in the early B230. Unfortunately, it still has the same weak connecting rods as is found on the early B230. Thus, if one is contemplating substantial performance enhancements with their K motor, the same advise prescribed above follows here.
 
Late B230:  Volvo went back to much of the earlier tried-and-true design of the B21/B23 when this motor was developed. Not only does it have much stouter connecting rods (13mm at their thinnest cross-section, compared to the earlier motors' 9mm -- a 50% increase), but the crankshaft was also improved substantially. The axial bearing was (re)located to bearing No.5 position -- the same place as is found on the B23.  It also has the large, B23-style main bearing journals, which further reduce the possibility of flexing. It retains the narrower rod journals found in the early B230, however, but this has generally not been seen as a problem by the folks who have built up high-output B230FTs.

Hehe....www.turbobricks.com is a nice place

[arnagath]

Haak: norway or sweden,same place i was joking...
Ok,to the point..please can you (anyone) tell me where I can find tuningparts and spareparts to 360 from norway or sweden

[Haak]

Tuningparts is very hard to find. But not for the engine, it's pretty simple. What level of performance are you searching for?
A good "level 1" is H/K kam, electric fan and shave off some mm of the head.
Here you can find most parts cheap at the junkyard.

If you want much horsepower a turboengine as described above is a good option.

Performance suspension and brake parts, look at:
 www.shockabsorber.com for lowering springs to the front.

Sportsbrakes is sold by:
S.A.M. Steffansson Automotive AB
Bror Nilssons gata 4
S-417 55 Göteborg
Sweden
Phone: +46 (0) 31 708 26 80
Fax: +46 (0) 31 708 26 81
E-mail: info@samsteffansson.se
Internet: www.samsteffansson.se

[arnagath]

The level of performance what i`m looking for is comfort in every day driving..and torque is also what i`m looking for. with torque, my fuel economy will be good.
Thank you for those links
By the way, i have discovered some links too where i can find some tuning parts.

In front:
Alfa Romeo Giulia shocks
Volvo 360 GLT springs/ -40mm springs

In back:
-40mm lowering block (self-made)
somekind of shocks (opel corsa)

What cam is in my b200e engine now?
Stupid question--> does free-flowmuffler and freeflow-aircleaner bring any power to injectionengine?!?

[arnagath]

This weekend I´m going to remove interior (seats,doorpanels) so it is easier to do bodywork and welding

[Amazon_V8]

This weekend I´m going to remove interior (seats,doorpanels) so it is easier to do bodywork and welding

Don´t forget to bring the camera  

[arnagath]

no, i wont forget

[arnagath]

Paperworks are going well!! I have to order some paper from Volvo where are listed parts which are needed to change. Actually I know it allready but..Finnish Laws

It will be more complicated if I dont order that paper because then I have to insert katalysator, lambda plus more paperwork

project is going forward smoothly...

[Performance]

Sounds great. Are you hoping to have it street legal before the summer? You seem to spend a lot of time working with your project!

[arnagath]

Project will be ready in August ...well,not REALLY ready but it will be licenced, streetlegal and hitting the road in august
And yes,a lot of time will be spend with this project.
Merry christmas you all and happy new year!!

[arnagath]

Ok,I have been doing some background work with this project. I bought one set of BMW original steelwheels and i take tires from those to GLT alloy wheels. And i also bought one set of project moving wheels which are going to trash when this is ready.

Also been finding out all the paperwork what i have to do...and getting some stuff like bolts etc

For now this project is going smoothly forward,starting first week in February

[FREJ]

sounds good, keep it up!

[arnagath]

Yes I will
First thing to do is move all technic into 340.Later is coming more power to b200e--->K cam, better exhausting, etc..But that will be when time is right.I wont be bothering my mind with those things now

[arnagath]

Ok..Project have been started and i have removed rearend/transmission,kardanaxle and exhaust pipes from 340 GL  
It was very easy to do but i made it difficult removing extra bolts and nuts
Next thing to do is removing B172K-engine and it will maybe done by next weekend, i dont know yet

[FREJ]

removed exhaust pipes

How many do you have?  


Keep up the work!

[arnagath]

removed exhaust pipes

How many do you have?  

Hahaa

Just bought freeflow-airfilter and my friend is selling to me 3" Simons backsilencer..
btw:Is it difficult to make B200E running with etanol? Im not doing that now but asking only for the future

[FREJ]

removed exhaust pipes

How many do you have?  

Hahaa

Just bought freeflow-airfilter and my friend is selling to me 3" Simons backsilencer..
btw:Is it difficult to make B200E running with etanol? Im not doing that now but asking only for the future

The most easy way is to buy a adjustable fuelpressureregulator..

Otherwise you could modify your LMM. The only one on in 300power that have done that yet is "Snowman".

The best way and the most funny is to go with aftermarket fuel injection as my self, then you can map both fuel and ignition to exactly match the fuel you are running on, and switch between fuels with a push on a button without even shut your engine down!

[arnagath]

In saturday i removed engine from 340 and threw it in garbige
I ve also losened some nuts and bolts in 360 so they will open when i remove its technic. I got 400-series injectionfuelfilter but i dont know does it fit, it looks similiar as my 360s fuelfilter. Does anyone here know will it fit?

Project is going forward pretty well..next job is to remove GLTs technic

[hasse66]

nice job you are doing with this beuty!!very good luck
i will follow your job by the way i got lots of trouble whith my car 360 whith cossworth turbo everything goes wrong this time first the chassi then it vas going wrong whith the exthaus pipes/downpipes from turbo. now the painter goes avay  my god!!   trying to hold the head high and running like hell anyway looking forward to see the summer in my eye. have good hopes to this project any way   soooo my new friend owerthere good luck see you soon..would be nice if you be able to come to vrom in gothenburg in august  bye my volvo friend..
                 whith regards from hasse in sweden

[FREJ]

I got 400-series injectionfuelfilter but i dont know does it fit, it looks similiar as my 360s fuelfilter. Does anyone here know will it fit?

If it looks similiar and have same connections as the 300-filter I think it is OK to use it!

BTW: Nice to see some serious things happening with your project!

[arnagath]

hasse66: thank you, i hope you can solve your problems with 360
But projects must not never be too easy..I dont think that i can come to vrom-meeting, i`d like to but its financial problem, no money

FREJ: Ok,then i use it

I think i`ll have to do somekind of two-days night-through Volvo-repairingmaraton because i dont have any kind of storage room or space here.  

[arnagath]

Now I have removed engine, rearend,transmission and kardanaxle from GLT and those parts are waiting for now to be putted in GL
Damn I was tired for working over 22hours at same!! I was ment to put GLTs technic into the GL at same day but ...well..i was so f#cking tired

Well, next thing to do is put B200E engine to 340GL

[FREJ]

Now I have removed engine, rearend,transmission and kardanaxle from GLT and those parts are waiting for now to be putted in GL
Damn I was tired for working over 22hours at same!! I was ment to put GLTs technic into the GL at same day but ...well..i was so f#cking tired

Well, next thing to do is put B200E engine to 340GL

Sounds fun, 22 hours

[arnagath]

Sounds fun, 22 hours

Yeah..damn i was tired after that
Try that same, then you know

[hasse66]

Now I have removed engine, rearend,transmission and kardanaxle from GLT and those parts are waiting for now to be putted in GL
Damn I was tired for working over 22hours at same!! I was ment to put GLTs technic into the GL at same day but ...well..i was so f#cking tired

Well, next thing to do is put B200E engine to 340GL

nice too hear that you are gooing nuts some times i now what you meen just go on it and good luck..

[arnagath]

nice too hear that you are gooing nuts some times i now what you meen just go on it and good luck..

thanks..sometimes it is necessary to go little nuts if you want to do something Isnt it the whole idea of car building that all your money and time is spent in to your car

[hasse66]

how its going for you??? i hawe the same problems in sweden gothenburg sometimes id thinking to go tho rest in pease if you now what i meen today i got the new fuelsell then the rear axle now to put them together but not without problems offcourse hehe you now the murphys law yes in deed trouble a lot of it yes just to love it..by the way how are the weather in finland as far?? here is some sun sometimes but not more than +2-maybee3+ some days wet cold and happy byt the car is building its up again.hope its going good for you owerthere..see yooou!!

[arnagath]

hasse66:
Things are going well here
How much fueltank cost in sweden? Cheapest new fueltank here in finland costs about 120euros (1100kr). Yes i know murphys law if things go wrong..they go wrong as hell.
Weather is quite nice here, sun shines and maybe -2 degrees. Nights are really cold, maybe -15

I wish summer comes fast!!

see you soon and good luck with your car also

[perra__]

hi arnagath.

where in suomi do you live?  

[arnagath]

hi arnagath.

where in suomi do you live?  

Hi to you too..
I live in Helsinki

[Gulbrandsen_Racing]

Hm.. Since your'e finnish, you can't swedish? Maybe i'm just a stupid norwegian, but i thought that almost all finns (or what you are called ) knew swedish..

Anyway, how is the project going?

[arnagath]

Hm.. Since your'e finnish, you can't swedish? Maybe i'm just a stupid norwegian, but i thought that almost all finns (or what you are called ) knew swedish..

Anyway, how is the project going?

No I cant speak swedish. I speak only finnish,english and a little bit german well i do know some swedish but you dont want to hear me mumbling swedish Maybe its time to learn so swedish

About project..
Project is going well. I have bought some stuff included 14" BMW steelwheels and tires, freeflow-aircleaner, all parts for full brake-renovation..
I also need katalysator, which i have got from my friend.

The reason why i need katalysator is those Finnish laws

[arnagath]

F*ck!! I have done bad things..One exhaustmanifolds bolt just snapped into cylinderhead
If something goes wrong...it goes wrong like as hell!
Well, ill try to remove it today